The Separation between State and Religion

In time we will realize that Democracy is the entitlement of individuals to every right that was in its times alloted to kings. The right to speak and decide, to be treated with decency, to serve and be served by people in a State of “love” that is, to serve with one’s work for the development of ‘life’. To belong to the Kingdom of Human Beings without racial, national, social or academic separations. To love and be loved. To die at the service of the whole and be honored in one’s death, for one’s life and work was legitimately valued. To be graceful and grateful. To have the pride and the humility of being One with the Universe, One with every realm of Existence, One with every living and deceased soul. To treat with dignity and be treated with dignity for One is dignified together with All others and Life itself. To walk the path of compassion, not in the sorrow of guilt but in the pride of being. To take responsability for one’s mistakes and sufferings and stand up again and again like a hero and a heroine and face the struggle that is put at one’s feet and in one’s hands. Millions of people, millions and millions of people might take many generations to realize the consciousness of our humaneness but there is no other dignified path for the human being.

The “work” as I conceive it is psychological and political. Psychology is the connection between the different dimensions within one’s self and Politics is the actualization of that consciousness in our practical lives. Religion is the ceremony that binds the connectedness between the individual and the Universe. The separation between religion, politics and science, the arts and sports is, in the sphere of the social, the reflection of the schizophrenia within the individual and the masses. The dialogue between individuality and the "human" belongs to consciousness. The tendency to develop cults resides in the shortcomings we’are finding in life as it is structured today. “Life” has become the private property of a few priviledged who cannot profit from it because as soon as it is appropriated it stops to be “life” or “life-giving”.

We are all the victims of our own invention and each one is called upon to find solutions. The only problem is believing our selves incapable of finding them. We are now free to use all Systems of knowledge objectively, sharing them without imposing our will on each other. To become objective about our lives means to understand that the institutions that govern its experience are critically important. That we are one with the governments, one with the religious activities that mark its pace, that the arena’s in which we move our bodies and the laboratories in which we explore our possibilities are ALL part and parcel of our own personal responsibility. That WE ARE ONE WITH EACH OTHER AND EVERYTHING AROUND US and acknowledge for ourselves a bond of love in conscious responsibility. That we human beings know ourselves part of each other and are willing and able to act on our behalf for the benefit of each and every individual. That we no longer allow governments, industries, universities or any other institution to run along unchecked by the objective principles of humaneness. That we do not allow gurus to abuse their power or governors to steal the taxes and use them to their personal advantage in detriment of the whole. That we do not allow abuse from anyone anywhere because life is too beautiful to do so and that we are willing to stop the rampant crime with the necessary compassion Conscious knowledge is every individual's right. Conscious action is every individual's duty.

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Wednesday 14 April 2010

Ton and Elena 10-14

11. Elena - April 13, 2010 [Edit]
I’ve read your post carefully and sincerely thank you for taking the time to write.

Ton: and as for your threats of suicide…

I am not threatening of suicide anywhere. Your manipulation here is despicable. You cannot deal with this conversation with respect or kindness which is necessary for any fruitful conversation. You already did what you are doing here enough in the other blog and it was harmful to me. You say you don’t agree with my banning but do not have the courage to protest it and know that I was nowhere abusive to you but it was I who was banned.

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12. Elena - April 14, 2010 [Edit]
Hello Ton,
In post ten you say I am delusional for thinking that you were addressing me when you say the last sentence and attack me badly for that but then in post 9 you say:

i thought i was addressing the issue you raised in post 10 with my post 22, so in fact that post was addressed to me although you never mentioned my name.

Without truth, respect and kindness, no conversation can be fruitful.

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13. ton - April 14, 2010 [Edit]
elena, you write here regarding my post 22:

“…so in fact that post was addressed to me although you never mentioned my name.”

no elena, like i said the post was not addressed to YOU, i was, in fact, addressing ISSUES !!! you just don’t get it… everything is not about YOU… that post was not addressing you personally elena, the post was an attempt to address ISSUES! not YOU!

if i didn’t respect you elena, i wouldn’t continue to try to show you the truth, and just because i’m showing you things you don’t want to see, telling you things you don’t want to hear, you think i’m being unkind… it’s called “tough love” for a reason but apparently, you can’t handle “truth.”

what do you suppose it is that is missing in your life, that causes you to feel the need for so much attention ? i’ve heard of “self-centered” but you take that to extremes… the world does not revolve around you elena, this is not about “putting you down” or trying to feel “superior” to you, this is coming out of a sense of compasion and yes kindness too but you resent any attempt to help you, you consider it an insult, an assault on your self-image, your fragile ego can’t stand it. so where does that resentment get you? it gets you stuck.

i’ve told you over and over to take care of yourself and get professional help, i’ve offered suggestions of where to look, but it’s up to you to look, that’s where the work begins, finding yourself a good therapist, finding someone you can work with is not always straight forward, it takes research, and it may take trial and error. i admit to you that i am not able to give you the help you need, we could go around and around like this indefinitely but it does neither of us any good.

i think we hit on something important in a previous post:

e: “Your intention to help me which you repeat and repeat is already coming from the position that you are above me.”

and my reply was:

now we’re getting down to “brass tacks” — this is really what you object to, you resent being in what you perceive to be an “inferior” position. this is all ego stuff elena, you want to be “in control” and when someone turns the tables, you flip out… elena, it’s no reflection on you as a human being to admit that you don’t know everything, it’s no reflection on you as a human being to admit that you need help… we all need help, and it takes a strong and insightful person to realize it, to admit it and then pursue getting the help. elena, i’ve been out of the cult for a long time now, i’ve done a lot of therapy work in the interim, does that give me an advantage over you, does it make me “superior” ? i don’t think so, but my experience does give me a different perspective, not that it’s “better” – but i speak from the benefit of my experience and if i can help you i am happy to do that…. if you resent me for it then that’s your problem.

i really think it’s simple elena, we don’t have to complicate things with over-analysis, it’s a problem with the ego, and that has to do with self-image, which relates to self-esteem issues. it may be a simple question to identify the problem, but changing is the difficult part, that’s where the work comes in, recognizing the area of necessary work (on yourself) is something you seem to be reluctant to admit to much less to get started on. no, it’s not easy and it takes time, but you have time elena, and only you can do it.

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14. Elena - April 14, 2010 [Edit]
My Dear Ton,
This is the most beautiful and fruitful period of my life and I wanted to share it with you all. Just share it, but when a group of people have abused someone as you have abused me in that blog, they unconsciously plot to destroy that person to justify their abuses. Funny that you wouldn’t know Old FOF’s post that was the one just previous to my banning and the first one on the other public square blog. So convenient not to know the facts so that you can avoid them isn’t it? You have been the instrument of that intention in this play and I am sorry for you wanting to play that part and going on and on with the same tape wishing to convince me that I am a poor, sick woman who you are trying to help that should get professional help. Robert was also trying to help us wasn’t he?

So don’t you worry about “helping me”. When I really needed help after I was banned you came to this blog to treat me with the same ridiculous fervor as a sick woman. You have been the most assiduous visitor to this blog. This is love. Take your love and acknowledge it and live it out with love and not with this cheap crap you are giving me. I am not a better subject than the separation of state and religion, the individual and society, the study of history and cults. Let them talk about me when I’ve finished my work. You seem to mind a great deal the fact that I speak now with certain propriety. Why does what I know or explore bother you so much?

I wish you a lovely day. The trees are always soothing to a heart in pain.
Elena

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