Elena- Freedom! Daily Cardiac post 294 Blog 3

294. Elena - November 25, 2009 [Edit]

“DC said,
“This discussion is supposed to be about spiritual matters;”

He is mistaken. Actually he knows better, and he only wishes it was about that. He wishes it was about almost anything other than what it really is, and then tries his best to develop conversation about other topics.”

I guess it was silly of me to propose a spiritual discussion when it appears the spirit part of spiritual is not much believed in or valued by ex members. The big picture is slowly coming into focus.

The FoF professes to be an esoteric school based on spirituality, based on development of the spirit.

So if one does not put much stock into that realm, or as it seems from WhaleRider, does not even believe in it, it’s no wonder there would be a disconnect with an organization that centers it’s teachings on the existence of a spirit world that governs over human kind and closely monitors all man’s dealings. A spirit world that can be and has been verified by hundreds of members.

Now that I think of it I really don’t remember any ex members conversing, long or short, frequently or infrequently, on any level, about a deity, higher forces, gods, angels, creator. It appears they have substituted synchronicity for a deity.

Elena: Your comments are very interesting DC because you didn’t get a word of what Whalerider said and now I am beginning to understand another aspect of the puzzle.

You write:
“an organization that centres it’s teachings on the existence of a spirit world that governs over human kind and closely monitors all man’s dealings. A spirit world that can be and has been verified by hundreds of members”.
As a response to Whalerider’s:

“The “spirit world” is a metaphor for the unseen forces and mythic archetypes of the unconscious mind…Apparently, you believe in a literal spirit world.”

Which is wonderfully revealing of where you are. Where the Fellowship is at and why it is so WRONG.

Your conception of a spiritual world is based on its GOVERNING over mankind and monitoring man’s dealings. It is about a God, gods or forces coming from outside which is essentially the same position to that of Christian Catholics and you don’t have an inkling into what Whalerider is saying which is that “unseen forces and mythic archetypes” are aspects of the individual himself. There is a huge difference in both positions and you can’t even smell it. The whole Fellowship Dogma is based on this traditional premise doing away with centuries of history or our life of the soul. THAT is precisely why the Fellowship enslaves people rather than help them free themselves: because it thinks and treats them as if they were simply victims of the universal order and those of you who name yourselves the bearers of truth and spirituality dress your selves with the power to submit those beneath you. Listen to your self: “… a spirit world that GOVERNS over human kind and closely monitors all man’s dealings”: the spiritual world governs over mankind and you are hence endowed with the right to GOVERN over the member’s lives which is exactly what Robert does and the inner circle acts on and justifies. THAT ALONE justifies everything that happens in the Fellowship.

Whalerider’s statement, which is probably Jungian, is coming from a perfectly opposite position and what it establishes is that the spiritual world “breathes” in man, in and out of man. It is intrinsic to him not as a governing force in the sense you give it but as a conditioning and liberating force depending on the process the individual is subject to.

There are two great differences that I can think off hand: one is that in your concept of spirituality it is no wonder members accepted to be governed to slavery because there is no inner work. The Fourth Way was indeed something you took advantage of to exploit people because what you practice is traditional Christian Catholicism. The second difference follows the first: Since people are to be submitted they cannot work on themselves but have to continue to idolize the spiritually superior authorities. That is why any form of self-expression from a member is shunned. Why members are condemned to read quotes from “higher beings”, why no one can be!

Let me tell you something Daily Cardiac. I am an ignorant; a fool who barely knows if tomorrow is not too intense to live through. I am not conscious enough to not make a hundred mistakes in the next half hour and every word I say is a mistake if you look at it from who and what I’ll be saying in three years, should I still live but I know this truth: inner work is the journey from one’s self to one’s self within the world of archetypes. Archetypes are the realities of the higher emotional centre and the journey from one centre to the other, from our biography to our destiny is the Work.
I learnt that this month in flesh and blood,
not in a School but in these street corners of the Public Square
on the Internet
with people I haven’t physically met.

We are so ripe,
so broken,
so ready,
that we can learn to work with our selves in every street and the darker the street the clearer the archetype will be.

We are falling from the tree of light like overripe fruits!

All we need to do is trust our selves or our self’s Sun:
the I in our hearts.

Trust our life, that is, the life within our selves that is incorruptible and divine:
The “live love”,
the “living love”
a flame that nothing can put out no matter how dark.
It is I-Spirit and no matter how dark we seem to be in our suffering, it does not let us stain. All suffering is not only necessary but welcome because there is an enormous amount of it that needs to be dealt with.
We’ve centuries of suffering to deal with.
We can heal each other’s suffering by allowing our selves to be.
By witnessing each other’s struggle without running away from it and giving a hand were possible. But we must be willing to GOVERN our selves and free the Gods of responsibility. We are no longer children in Paradise and the Gods, like parents, need to move on.
We all need to move on.

“Clinging”,
even to Gods,
bears no dignity and
dignity is the first sign of our self’s presence.
Dignity does not “cling”.
It stands humbly on its own no matter how beaten.

We did not bite the apple to remain like children.
We bit it to become as Gods in the knowledge of good and evil.
We walked out of the gates of heaven to learn about suffering but not to succumb to it.
Evil is ignorance of who we are.
When we know our selves, we will do no evil.
Evil is hurting each other: when we stop that, there’ll be no evil.
It is evil what is not “inherent” to us but something we do in our ignorance and stop doing in our consciousness.
When we know each other’s “living love”, we will not hurt each other.
It is very simple: we just need to be human!

All freedom!