The Separation between State and Religion

In time we will realize that Democracy is the entitlement of individuals to every right that was in its times alloted to kings. The right to speak and decide, to be treated with decency, to serve and be served by people in a State of “love” that is, to serve with one’s work for the development of ‘life’. To belong to the Kingdom of Human Beings without racial, national, social or academic separations. To love and be loved. To die at the service of the whole and be honored in one’s death, for one’s life and work was legitimately valued. To be graceful and grateful. To have the pride and the humility of being One with the Universe, One with every realm of Existence, One with every living and deceased soul. To treat with dignity and be treated with dignity for One is dignified together with All others and Life itself. To walk the path of compassion, not in the sorrow of guilt but in the pride of being. To take responsability for one’s mistakes and sufferings and stand up again and again like a hero and a heroine and face the struggle that is put at one’s feet and in one’s hands. Millions of people, millions and millions of people might take many generations to realize the consciousness of our humaneness but there is no other dignified path for the human being.

The “work” as I conceive it is psychological and political. Psychology is the connection between the different dimensions within one’s self and Politics is the actualization of that consciousness in our practical lives. Religion is the ceremony that binds the connectedness between the individual and the Universe. The separation between religion, politics and science, the arts and sports is, in the sphere of the social, the reflection of the schizophrenia within the individual and the masses. The dialogue between individuality and the "human" belongs to consciousness. The tendency to develop cults resides in the shortcomings we’are finding in life as it is structured today. “Life” has become the private property of a few priviledged who cannot profit from it because as soon as it is appropriated it stops to be “life” or “life-giving”.

We are all the victims of our own invention and each one is called upon to find solutions. The only problem is believing our selves incapable of finding them. We are now free to use all Systems of knowledge objectively, sharing them without imposing our will on each other. To become objective about our lives means to understand that the institutions that govern its experience are critically important. That we are one with the governments, one with the religious activities that mark its pace, that the arena’s in which we move our bodies and the laboratories in which we explore our possibilities are ALL part and parcel of our own personal responsibility. That WE ARE ONE WITH EACH OTHER AND EVERYTHING AROUND US and acknowledge for ourselves a bond of love in conscious responsibility. That we human beings know ourselves part of each other and are willing and able to act on our behalf for the benefit of each and every individual. That we no longer allow governments, industries, universities or any other institution to run along unchecked by the objective principles of humaneness. That we do not allow gurus to abuse their power or governors to steal the taxes and use them to their personal advantage in detriment of the whole. That we do not allow abuse from anyone anywhere because life is too beautiful to do so and that we are willing to stop the rampant crime with the necessary compassion Conscious knowledge is every individual's right. Conscious action is every individual's duty.

Saturday, 18 September 2010

Showers of colored light!


I would like to share a little of why I believe stained glass can be included in objective art and how I am working with glass today.

It’s my impression that stained glass in
the great cathedrals of the world is meant to allow for light to come inside in a very particular way. Traditionally the windows are not meant to project light from inside out but from outside in or at least churches don’t light themselves up with enough power to project the colour of their stained glass windows to the outside during the night which would be possible and beautiful.

If the Cathedrals are “conscious works of Art” and are models of man, what they are talking about is not the external aspects of the human being but the internal aspects. The stained glass windows are designed to bring light inside and show what it is like in there. The traditional “cross” structure of churches has in itself tremendous symbolic meaning in most cultures and if we take only Gurdjieff’s System’s point of view of the cross section of “being”and “state” then the whole universe is in fact represented by the two lines and their relationship to each other.

What I believe is possible with glass today is to place it in the Public Squares of all cities as a symbol of the conquest of individuality and the projection of our individual inner light in the public, social, communal sphere. I dream with sculptures of glass in the city and light in colours projected on walls, avenues, buildings, to provide us with a source of impressions as rich as that of the nature that we’ve been destroying. The healing aspects of colour and light are great. I dream of places where one can get showers of green to heal the “etheric” (Steiner) or “instinctive” (Gurdjieff) aspect of one’s organs and showers of red and blue and all colours combined too! My research in all of this is still incipient but I believe it is a source of life that I would be happy to share here as I go along, I’ve only a handful of sculptures and some lamps so far but I’ll be glad to share that work here too.

Should this not be objective art as you’ve
conceived it M., please feel free to delete it. Thank you for the opportunity to expand on this research that can be done here or elsewhere but what inspired actually working on it more deeply, was being here.

May the light of flowers greet each of your days!
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Friday, 17 September 2010

Stained Glass and Agriculture!


Hi Mani and all,

Since I've been working with glass but know little about it, I am wondering if you'd enjoy it if I share my findings on it as I go along. My time is short but I could add little bits at a time. 

Should this not be Objective Art as you enjoy it, please feel free to take it off as soon as you like. 

Tonight I found the following in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stained_glass and remembered the importance of these substances for Steiner in Agriculture so I looked it up and am much enjoying the relationship between two completely different spheres but so similar in their own way. Silica and lime on plants and color and light plus content on human beings: 

From the 10th or 11th century, when stained glass began to flourish as an art, glass factories were set up where there was a ready supply of silica, the essential material for glass manufacture. Silica requires very high heat to become molten, something furnaces of the time were unable to achieve. So materials needed to be added to both modify the silica network to allow the silica to melt at a lower temperature (potash, soda, lead), and then to rebuild the weakened network (lime) and make the glass more stable. Glass is colored by adding metallic oxides while it is in a molten state. Copper oxides produce green, cobalt makes blue, and gold produces red glass. Much modern red glass is produced using copper, which is less expensive than gold and gives a brighter, more vermilion shade of red. Glass colored while in the clay pot in the furnace is known as pot metal glass, as opposed to flashed glass


Steiner saw that the digestive, nutritive patterns of the soil revolve around lime, whereas the patterns of the atmosphere revolve around silica. His basic remedy for the atmosphere was finely ground quartz crystal, buried in a cow horn over the summer. Normally this is applied at the rate of a gram per acre, stirred for an hour in water, and misted into the leafy, fruiting region above the soil in the early morning. It provides excellent patterning for the atmosphere. When you think about it, silica forms many of the finest particles in the atmosphere. While it would be dangerous to pump tons of micron zed silica into the atmosphere, spraying a mist patterned with a homeopathic dose of horn quartz has a remarkable organizational effect.
Organization is, after all, the basis of life — organ, organic, organize, organism.
Silica, in its pure form as quartz, is a superb vehicle for patterns. Once I began to understand patterning, I could see Steiner’s remedies were pure genius, as they worked with homeopathic Organizational patterning. The so-called BD preps included silica patterns for the atmosphere and lime patterns for the soil. In between were the patterns of clay, which affected the ebb and flow of sap between soil and atmosphere. Clay was the bridge between the two extremes.


Silica –. Silica helps enhance the light metabolism of plants, aiding in the resistance to fungal dis-ease and chewing insects. The bd 501 also helps to encourage the growth of mycorrhizal fungus within the soil.


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Thursday, 16 September 2010

To those in the other realm

You’re dead
But you’ve been here all the time
as if it were impossible to die
and all that happened
were that we fused inside
for we’ve never been apart

I love you
even if you left before I was old enough to be
and had to die so many times before I came to life

I love you
even if you left long before I could
and looked for you in every living being
hoping you’d survived in every skin
longing for too long
to be at ease

I have loved you
if love is pain and wondering the skin of every lover
like balm in a soul that never knew how it felt to be that loved

And now that it is all over
And there’s no wish
I look at that treading of snails on rock
as if it were just
life
without regret
or demands
as if it had been what needed to be done
whether you had left or not
but with the excuse

Had you told me that it was mostly about digging
I might have bought myself a spade
Oh Mother
Not to dig your grave
But to dig you out of the grave
Instead
of doing it with my nails

Parents were already dead long before you died
Even those who have them don’t know them
They don’t matter anymore
People are too busy working on them selves,
for somebody else
But it’s clear to me
That it is better to have a parent
Than to have to replace one
With other’s selves until
Our little essence is bold enough
To live

I love you
All my pain’s been nothing
Compared to what you must’ve felt
To put two bullets in your head
When I was eight

“We are always together in this realm”
you told me recently beyond dreams
I know, I know,
And I’m so busy still
In this
but
how much more gratitude
Could I thank you with?

We are One
and in that Oneness
there’s no I or you
Only in this realm
can I love you
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Monday, 13 September 2010

Will and Elena - Reality and illusion


Will: “Meher Baba followed Vedanta and Mr. Gurdjieff followed Tantra. In Vedanta all is Illusion; in Tantra all is Real. I follow Tantra because it corresponds to my cosmic type. But Vedanta is as valid as Tantra. Different ways for different types. I follow Mr. Gurdjieff when he said “When take, take; when give, give.” That is pure Tantra. I think Tantra is much more adapted to the Western mentality than Tantra. What do you think?”
I think that is what Mr. Gurdjieff said, that different systems apply to different people.
How do you understand “all is real” in tantra?
What does it mean to you that it corresponds to your cosmic type?
And if you care to expand, was does it mean to you that all is illusion?
On a note aside, since you’re such a lover of Gurdjieff’s work I am surprised you haven’t read Rodney Collin. His Theory of Celestial Influences is a masterpiece in my humble opinion, do look at it when you have the inclination and time.
Thanks for sharing Will. It’s fun to think about these things but my time is no longer so long and I would much enjoy not taking our energy away from the Objective Art site and side. There are some very interesting people contributing there. Having said that, it is fine also to share here what is here's!
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Will and Elena - Baba and Gurdjieff







82 Elena
Hi Will, Thanks for the song.
Meher Baba and Gurdjieff do not fight in their approach, they are different systems but not understandings.
Sorry your comment was delayed.


Will Mesa



Hi Elena,
You are correct. Meher Baba followed Vedanta and Mr. Gurdjieff followed Tantra. In Vedanta all is Illusion; in Tantra all is Real. I follow Tantra because it corresponds to my cosmic type. But Vedanta is as valid as Tantra. Different ways for different types. I follow Mr. Gurdjieff when he said “When take, take; when give, give.” That is pure Tantra. I think Tantra is much more adapted to the Western mentality than Tantra. What do you think?
Will







Will Mesa - September 12, 2010 




I prefer Orage’s essay On Love to what Baba wrote here. I find it more human and less spiritualized.And it corresponds more to the Living Teaching Mr. Gurdjieff brought to the West. Most of these Indian Gurus do no understand us Westerners. That is why in Beelzebub’s Tales there is a very strong criticism of Buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism.


86. Elena - September 13, 2010 




Hi Will,
It’s fine to post your answer here on the box instead of the reply under the comment so that we don’t have to go back up there because sometimes they get lost.
I enjoyed your differences on vedanta and tantra. I didn’t know they were called such. If I am more in the tantra world then Meher Baba is as real to me as Gurdjieff. I see things that fit their time and place and try not to judge everything and become cultish about anything anymore. I already took that road for too long and it led to hell but I respect anyone’s choice to still tread on it as long as they don’t harm anybody else or pretend to impose it on anybody else… which is rare for in our longing for unity we try to convince each other to join us.
We cannot disagree on what you prefer or not. You’ve worked hard on Gurdjieff’s book and your knowledge of it is welcome. I enjoy being reminded and even more realizing all the mistakes and faults he also made no matter how much I’ve followed the System.
I’m no longer anyone’s follower though. I’m not looking for instructors or guides nor do I feel I can instruct or guide anyone. Just people to share who I can listen to and who can hear what is said without judgment, lying, identification, imagination and negative emotions and with all the love or external consideration that we can amass. I am far from practicing these things still so it is necessary to practice with people so much more often!
Have a lovely day!


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Sunday, 12 September 2010

Ego, I and negative emotions - FOF Blog


I think you’ve been here my Old Friend and as soon as I saw traces of your presence my heart leaped into another sphere of tranquility that it hasn’t had ever since you left.
In relation to the FOF Blog I also feel that all those of us who have touched each other and separated must eventually come together again; the sooner the better.
I have been the cause of many our separations and beyond regret which is ALL there, is also the understanding that in the conflict there are elements that need to be overcome in both sides for there to be a reunification. The wonder of being together is the wonder of being together. Nothing can replace another’s presence and we are all needed for dinner.
I am also understanding that I could not stop writing like a madman or the madwoman that I have often been in the fofblog, because my sense of my own self was too weak to live without verifying itself. That I was too vulnerable to be on my own and rest. That I needed consistent reassurance to be. I am not trying to justify my mistakes, I clearly acknowledge that the excessive occupation of space, the aggressions and the behavior was out of place. I say this and an I still says, what was so out of place?
This I says, what was so out of place? That you were fighting against an evil that you had all met and most neglected to seriously stand up against? That there are still only 188 signatures in the petition although over 800 people have left in the past three years? Or was it that you insulted them as fascists? Sickos?
This is difficult for me. I do not regret screaming at people who I believe are behaving as fascists but I regret screaming at people. It is another form of fascism to scream at people and that I regret. I wish to say on my behalf that more than screaming at people I was screaming at the horror I know lives in the Fellowship of Friends cult and at the horror I myself lived and expanded on my own family. But I also wish to acknowledge that there was too much ego on my behalf and as I look at it without judgment I realize that there is only as much ego as lack of I. This is perhaps one of the most beautiful understandings I’ve come across in trying to grasp how it is that negative emotions arise: the understanding that all our “arguing”, “possessiveness”, and “separationism” is simply the reflection of our own self’s suffering concentrated in the ego. That the ego is just that: lack of love that expresses itself in lack of being which expresses itself in all forms of separation from others.
Thinking about this the idea that this or that is “mine” becomes very clear. What can be mine when as soon as time’s up it’ll remain here? And what more could one wish than to leave more than one found?
This idea that there is only as much ego as lack of I or real I must be clarified because the tendency in cults in all spheres of life or those wishing to establish separating hierarchies between people in the family, society or nations, is that they’ll justify abusing those with “less I” because they “deserve it” and this is far from right. This is the worst illness in the sphere of being and it amounts for most of the injustice in the world today. The idea that there is only as much ego as lack of I as I’m presenting it here is far from understanding the ego as it has usually been conceived as relating to egotism. It is true that the ego is egotistic but it is egotistic because it needs to defend its feeling of isolation and separation from the rest of the world. It is the ego what we come out with after leaving our homes. It is the ego what our parents plant in our lives. It is probably determined by karmic laws and the opportunity we have then is to rebuild our selves from that ego. To transform our personal suffering and the suffering of our parents as much as those who surrounded us in such a way that we can reunite ourselves through the understanding of their condition, that is, through compassion.
In this sense what I most regret about my first final participation in the fofblog is my lack of compassion. When I screamed at them in my last posts I was as separate as they were to me. And yet I ask. Was this not necessary for us all? In the suffering that we’ve all endured through our having to stand up for what we think is right, aren’t such separations necessary so that we each readjust our self to our selves? Is conflict not necessary for us to evolve? Is it not painful when we tell each other the truth about our selves? Can it be any other way? But must we hate each other for hurting each other with truths that we all need to hear?
Let me be clear that I am talking about my first participation and not when I rejoined recently. I am in nothing regretful of my recent participation. I entered with love and was banned without it. I do not regret my love.
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Love by Meher Baba




I was just about to post this chapter on love by Baba, it explains the relationship between the centers in a much more practical way than I’ve ever heard described before.


"Printed by permission of Avatar Meher Baba Public Perpetual Charitable Trust". and taken from http://www.discoursesbymeherbaba.org/v1-156.php
Love
LIFE and love are inseparable from each other. Where there is life, there is love. Even the most rudimentary consciousness is always trying to burst out of its limitations and experience some kind of unity with other forms. Love pervades the universe Though each form is separate from other forms, in reality they are all forms of the same unity of life. The latent sense for this hidden inner reality indirectly makes itself felt even in the world of illusion through the attraction which one form has for another form.
The law of gravitation, to which all the planets and the stars are subject, is in its own way a dim reflection of the love which pervades every part of the universe. Even the forces of repulsion Reign of love in inanimate nature are in truth expressions of love, since things are repelled from each other because they are more powerfully attracted to some other things. Repulsion is a negative consequence of positive attraction. The forces of cohesion and affinity which prevail in the very constitution of matter are positive expressions of love. A striking example of love at this level is found in the attraction which the magnet exercises for iron. All these forms of love are of the lowest type, since they are necessarilyconditioned by the rudimentary consciousness in which they appear.
In the animal world love becomes more explicit in the form of conscious impulses which are directed towards different objects in the surroundings. This love is instinctive and it takes Love in the animal kingdom the form of gratifying different desires through the appropriation of suitable objects. When the tiger seeks to devour the deer he is in a very real sense in love with the deer. Sex-attraction is another form of love at this level. All the expressions of love at this stage have one thing in common, viz., they all seek to satisfy some bodily impulse or desire through the object of love.
Human love is much higher than all these lower forms of love because human beings have the fully developed form of consciousness. Though human love is continuous with the lower Human love has to adjust to reason sub-human forms of love, in a way, it is different from them, for henceforth its operations have to be carried on side by side with a new factor which is reason. Sometimes human love manifests itself as a force which is divorced from reason and runs parallel to it. Sometimes it manifests itself as a force which gets mixed up with reason and comes into conflict with it. Lastly, it expresses itself as a constituent of the harmonised whole where love and reason have been balanced and fused into an integral unity.
Thus human love can enter into three types of combination with reason. Three combinations of love and reason In the first type, the sphere of thought and the sphere of love are kept as separate as possible, i.e., the sphere of love is practically inaccessible to the operation of reason, and love is allowed little or no access to the objects ofthought. Complete separation between these two aspects of the spirit is of course never possible, but when there is an alternate functioning of love and reason (oscillating in their predominance) we have a love which is unillumined by reason or a reason which is unenlivened by love. In the second type, love and reason are both simultaneously operative but they do not work in harmony with each other. Though this conflict creates confusion, it is a necessary phase in the evolution of the higher state where there is a real synthesis of love and reason. In the third type of love this synthesis between love and reason is an accomplished fact with the result that both love as well as reason are so completely transformed that they precipitate the emergence of a new level of consciousness which, compared to the normal human consciousness, is best described as super-consciousness.
Human love makes its appearance in the matrix of ego-consciousness which has countless desires. Love is coloured by these factors in many ways. Just as we get an ever changing variety Qualitative variety in love of designs in a kaleidoscope by the various combinations of simpler elements, we find an almost limitless qualitative variety in the range of love owing to novel combinations of psychic factors. And just as there are infinite shades of colour in different flowers, so there are diverse delicate differences in human love.
Human love is encircled by a number of obstructive factors such as infatuation, lust, greed, anger and jealousy. Lower forms of love In one sense, even these obstructive factors are either forms of lower love or the inevitable side-results of these lower forms of love. Infatuation, lust and greed might be looked upon as perverted and lower forms of love. In infatuation a person is enamouredof a sensual object; in lust he develops a craving for sensations in relation to it; and in greed he desires to possess it. Of these three forms of lower love, greed has a tendency to extend from the original object to the means of obtaining it. Thus persons become greedy for money or power or fame, which can be instruments for possessing the different objects that are craved. Anger and jealousy come into existence when these lower forms of love are thwarted or threatened to be thwarted.
These lower forms of love obstruct the release of pure love. The stream of love can never become clear and steady until it is disentangled from these limiting and perverting forms of lower love. The lower is the enemy of the higher. The lower is the enemy of the higher If consciousness is caught in the rhythm of the lower it cannot emancipate itself from its self-created ruts, finding it difficult to get out of them and advance further. Thus the lower form of love continues to interfere with the development of the higher form, and has to be given up in order to allow for the untramelled appearance of the higher form of love.
The emergence of higher love from the shell of lower love is helped by the constant exercise of discrimination. Therefore, love has Love and infatuation to be carefully distinguished from the obstructive factors of infatuation, lust, greed and anger. In infatuation, the person is a passive victim of the spell of conceived attraction for the object. In love there is an active appreciation of the intrinsic worth of the object of love.
Love is also different from lust. In lust there is reliance upon the object of sense and consequent spiritual subordination of the soul to it, but love puts the soul intothat very act it finds that it has included the beloved in its own being.
Infatuation, lust and greed constitute a spiritual malady which is often rendered more virulent by the aggravating symptoms of anger and jealousy. Pure love, in sharp contradistinction, Pure love awakened through grace is the bloom of spiritual perfection. Human love is so tethered by these limiting conditions that the spontaneous appearance of pure love from within becomes impossible. So, when such pure love arises in the aspirant it is always a gift. Pure love arises in the heart of the aspirant in response to the descent of grace from the Master. When pure love is first received as a gift of the Master it becomes lodged in the consciousness of the aspirant like a seed in favourable soil, and in the course of time the seed develops into a plant and then into a full-grown tree.
The descent of the grace of the Master is conditioned, however, by the preliminary spiritual preparation of the aspirant. This preliminary spiritual preparation for grace is never Spiritual preparation for grace complete until the aspirant has built into his psychic make-up some divine attributes. When a person avoids backbiting and thinks more of the good points in others than of their bad points, and when he can practise supreme tolerance, and desires the good of others even at the cost of his own self, he is ready to receive the grace of the Master. One of the greatest obstacles hindering this spiritual preparation of the aspirant is worry. When, with supreme effort, this obstacle of worry is overcome, a way is paved for the cultivation of the divine attributes which constitute the spiritual preparation of the disciple. As soon as the disciple is readythe grace of the Master descends, for the Master, who is the ocean of divine love, is always on the look-out for the soul in whom his grace will fructify.
The kind of love which is awakened by the grace of the Master is a rare privilege. The mother who is willing to sacrifice all and to die for her child, and the Pure love is very rare martyr who is prepared to give up his very life for his country are indeed supremely noble, but they have not necessarily tasted this pure love which is born through the grace of the Master. Even the great yogis with long beards who, sitting in caves and mountains, are completely absorbed in deep samadhi, do not necessarily have this precious love.
Pure love awakened through the grace of the Master is more valuable than any other stimulus which may be utilised by the aspirant. Such love not only Pure love the best discipline combines in itself the merits of all the disciplines but excels them all in its efficacy to lead the aspirant to his goal. When this love is born the aspirant has only one desire, and that is to be united with the Divine Beloved. Such withdrawal of consciousness from all other desires leads to infinite purity; therefore nothing purifies the aspirant more completely than this love. The aspirant is always willing to offer everything for the Divine Beloved, and no sacrifice is too difficult for him. All his thoughts are turned away from the self and come to be exclusively centred on the Divine Beloved. Through the intensity of this evergrowing love he eventually breaks through the shackles of the self and becomes united with the Beloved. This is the consummation of love. When love has thus found its fruition it has become divine.
Divine love is qualitatively different from humanlove. Human love is for the many in the One and divine love is for the One in the many. Human love leads to innumerable complications and tangles, but divine love leads to integration and freedom. Divine love higher than human love In divine love the personal and the impersonal aspects are equally balanced, but in human love the two aspects are in alternating ascendency. When the personal note is predominant in human love it leads to utter blindness to the intrinsic worth of other forms. When, as in sense of duty, love is predominantly impersonal, it often makes one cold, rigid and mechanical. Sense of duty comes to the individual as an external constraint on behaviour, but in divine love there is unrestrained freedom and unbounded spontaneity. Human love in its personal and impersonal aspects is limited, but divine love with its fusion of the personal and the impersonal aspects is infinite in being and expression.
Even the highest type of human love is subject to the limitation of individual nature which persists till the seventh plane. Divine love arises after the disappearance of the individual mind and is free from the trammels of individual nature. In human love the duality of the lover and the beloved persists, In divine love the lover is united with Beloved but in divine love the lover and Beloved become one. At this stage the aspirant has stepped out of the domain of duality and become one with God, for divine love is God. When the lover and the Beloved are one, that is the end and the beginning.
It is for love that the whole universe sprang into existence and it is for the sake of love that it is kept going. God descends into the realm of illusion because the apparent duality of the Beloved and the lover is eventually contributory to His conscious enjoyment ofHis own divinity. Universe came into existence for sake of love The development of love is conditioned and sustained by the tension of duality. God has to suffer apparent differentiation into a multiplicity of souls in order to carry on the game of love. They are His own forms, and in relation to them He at once assumes the role of the Divine Lover and the Divine Beloved. As the Beloved, He is the real and the ultimate object of their appreciation. As the Divine Lover, He is their real and ultimate saviour drawing them back to Himself. Thus though the whole world of duality is only an illusion, that illusion has come into being for a significant purpose.
Love is the reflection of God’s unity in the world of duality. It constitutes the entire significance of creation. If love is excluded from life, all the souls in the world assume Dynamics of love complete externality to each other and the only possible relations and contacts in such a loveless world are superficial and mechanical. It is because of love that the contacts and relations between individual souls become significant. It is love which gives meaning and value to all the happenings in the world of duality. But, while love gives meaning to the world of duality, it is at the same time a standing challenge to duality. As love gathers strength, it generates creative restlessness and becomes the main driving power of that spiritual dynamic which ultimately succeeds in restoring to consciousness the original unity of being.

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Thursday, 9 September 2010

Will and Elena



Dear Elena,
Here I am again riding the Pale Horse
In a pervious post you asked me this question and I quote your words:
“Would you consider that the instinctive centre, in as much as it connects to the physical aspect of our selves is at the same time wonderfully connected to nature and its laws? If one were to grasp that reality in its full scope wouldn’t that alone be an amazing connectedness to the world around us? To nature yes but all of nature including the planets and galaxies! Sometimes when making love I’ve had an amazing feeling of connectedness with the cosmos but it is also there at dawn and sunset when the colours are so dim that they feel like the skin of light!”
Not only I consider instinctive centre to be connected with nature and its law but there is a very strong confirmation in Beelzebub’s Tales (BTTHG) that is so and I am going to illustrate with the cosmic law Solioonensius that is described in great details in the chapter Russia of BTTHG. It would be very interesting from the point of view of Objective Morality to examine this law as formulated in BTTHG. Here is how this law is formulated and what is said about it in the book (p. 623):
“The tension in all the planets acts also on the common presences of all beings arising and breeding on them, always engendering in the beings, besides desires and intentions of which they are not aware, the feeling called ‘sacred Iabolioonosar,’ or as your favorites would say, the feeling of religiousness, namely, that ‘being-feeling’ which at times appears in the desire and striving for, as I have already said, speedier self-perfecting in the sense of Objective-Reason.
“It is interesting that when this sacred feeling, or another similar to it, which was also engendered by a certain common cosmic actualization, proceeds in the common presences of your favorites, then they accept it as a symptom of certain of their numerous diseases, and in the given case, for example, they call this feeling ‘nerves.’
“It is necessary to remark that such an impulse inherent in the presence of all three-brained beings of our Great Universe formerly arose and became actualized almost normally in the majority of terrestrial beings of that time, namely, from the time of the removal of the organ Kundabuffer from the common presences of the three-brained beings of the planet Earth right up to the second Transapalnian-perturbation.
“But later, among the number of chief evils which flow from the conditions of ordinary being-existence established by them themselves, especially when in the presences of every terrestrial three-brained being, there began to become predominant the ‘evil-inner-God’ of theirs I mentioned, named there self-calming, then it occurred that in them under the influence of the action of Solioonensius, instead of the desire and striving for a speedier self-perfection a something began to arise such as they themselves characterize by the words ‘need of freedom,’ which chiefly serves the cause of the arising there of these same grievous processes of theirs similar to this last ‘Bolshevism.’”
Here is the whole thing, Elena. If we were normal beings, we would experience this law. However, because of our abnormality we have lost what is called in BTTHG the “instinctive-sensing-of-reality.” Now instead of experiencing the feeling of religiousness, what we experience is “need of freedom” and this “need of freedom” because of our abnormality translate into changing at all cost the external conditions of being-existence. And that is why we have the Lenin, the Stalin, and the Fidel, and so on, of this remote lunatic corner of the Universe called Planet Earth. Here I speak from experience because I was an aye witness of the Cuban Revolution.
But there is an even deeper meaning to this law and I will let you and the readers of this post to ponder on it.
In my next post here I will address two issues you also raised, the one about Love and Time and the one about making love. I will give you my take on these two matters and you will see that, like a friend in another Forum said:
“Many thanks for your comments Will. You certainly have an interesting and diverse set of opinions. :-) ”
And there is one more thing you ought to know about me, Elena: I love to brag about me and I do not hide it. I am not shy, you can be sure of that. There is indeed very little humility in me and the reason for that is that I have found the sense and aim of my existence and when that is the case, one can understand what real humility means. Read the first chapter of BTTHG and you will see that it is all about bragging. Of course, I am not even to the knees of Mr. Gurdjieff but I am up to the knees of Mr. Mesa. He is a Devil; I am just a little devil or, as some people have called me, “incorrigible little crazy devil” or ilcd. You can be sure of one thing: Exchanging with me will never bore you.
You see, Elena, a man has the objective right to three weakness in life. In BTTHG we can see the three weaknesses Mr. Gurdjieff had. My first one is to brag about me. The other two I can tell you but only in private.
Now you begin to get familiar with me.
Thanks for sharing.
Hasta la vista, Clear Elena. I will be back.
Will
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77. Elena - September 9, 2010




Thanks Will for responding to me as if the conversation were just between you and me but there is a misunderstanding for I am not talking or answering particularly to you in those posts but addressing M’s question and M who asked it. There is no disagreement or argument between us. You share your understanding and the rest of us share ours and the question moves along by the force of our many rows.
Will: “I do not know what you mean by the authors of the System. For me there is no System; there is only the Living Teaching Mr. Gurdjieff brought to us in Beelzebub’s Tales and regarding his book he said that there are no methods for understanding it. So, how can there be a System? Who are the authors of the System you refer to? Can you be more explicit here so I can comment more explicitly?”
If for you there is only one living Teaching for me that living Teaching would be all the Teachings in all of history in every culture and man.
We disagree about there being no methods to understanding anything, you and I or Mr. Gurdjieff and I, for we each have our own road to come to understanding through love and trust.
I am very glad that you are reminding us about Mr. Gurdjieff and his outlook on the world and ever so happy to be seeing him for what he was: another human being full of gifts and misgivings like the rest of us.
The System as presented by Gurdjieff, Ouspensky and Rodney Collin is just one System amongst many others and it has its strengths and weaknesses like many others. For me they all work, they are all beautiful and terrible, difficult and possible as life is.
If I am out of place here and this site only approaches objective knowledge according to Gurdjieff’s understanding of the world please forgive my intrusion, I didn’t understand this site as a cult to Mr. Gurdjieff.
My very warm love to you Will. Brag about yourself all you must if that’s what you need and enjoy but let the questions flow down the river of miracles that we may catch a few fish and share the meal!
p.d. I said “rows” as in rowing!
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