The Separation between State and Religion

In time we will realize that Democracy is the entitlement of individuals to every right that was in its times alloted to kings. The right to speak and decide, to be treated with decency, to serve and be served by people in a State of “love” that is, to serve with one’s work for the development of ‘life’. To belong to the Kingdom of Human Beings without racial, national, social or academic separations. To love and be loved. To die at the service of the whole and be honored in one’s death, for one’s life and work was legitimately valued. To be graceful and grateful. To have the pride and the humility of being One with the Universe, One with every realm of Existence, One with every living and deceased soul. To treat with dignity and be treated with dignity for One is dignified together with All others and Life itself. To walk the path of compassion, not in the sorrow of guilt but in the pride of being. To take responsability for one’s mistakes and sufferings and stand up again and again like a hero and a heroine and face the struggle that is put at one’s feet and in one’s hands. Millions of people, millions and millions of people might take many generations to realize the consciousness of our humaneness but there is no other dignified path for the human being.

The “work” as I conceive it is psychological and political. Psychology is the connection between the different dimensions within one’s self and Politics is the actualization of that consciousness in our practical lives. Religion is the ceremony that binds the connectedness between the individual and the Universe. The separation between religion, politics and science, the arts and sports is, in the sphere of the social, the reflection of the schizophrenia within the individual and the masses. The dialogue between individuality and the "human" belongs to consciousness. The tendency to develop cults resides in the shortcomings we’are finding in life as it is structured today. “Life” has become the private property of a few priviledged who cannot profit from it because as soon as it is appropriated it stops to be “life” or “life-giving”.

We are all the victims of our own invention and each one is called upon to find solutions. The only problem is believing our selves incapable of finding them. We are now free to use all Systems of knowledge objectively, sharing them without imposing our will on each other. To become objective about our lives means to understand that the institutions that govern its experience are critically important. That we are one with the governments, one with the religious activities that mark its pace, that the arena’s in which we move our bodies and the laboratories in which we explore our possibilities are ALL part and parcel of our own personal responsibility. That WE ARE ONE WITH EACH OTHER AND EVERYTHING AROUND US and acknowledge for ourselves a bond of love in conscious responsibility. That we human beings know ourselves part of each other and are willing and able to act on our behalf for the benefit of each and every individual. That we no longer allow governments, industries, universities or any other institution to run along unchecked by the objective principles of humaneness. That we do not allow gurus to abuse their power or governors to steal the taxes and use them to their personal advantage in detriment of the whole. That we do not allow abuse from anyone anywhere because life is too beautiful to do so and that we are willing to stop the rampant crime with the necessary compassion Conscious knowledge is every individual's right. Conscious action is every individual's duty.

Thursday 9 September 2010

Will and Elena



Dear Elena,
Here I am again riding the Pale Horse
In a pervious post you asked me this question and I quote your words:
“Would you consider that the instinctive centre, in as much as it connects to the physical aspect of our selves is at the same time wonderfully connected to nature and its laws? If one were to grasp that reality in its full scope wouldn’t that alone be an amazing connectedness to the world around us? To nature yes but all of nature including the planets and galaxies! Sometimes when making love I’ve had an amazing feeling of connectedness with the cosmos but it is also there at dawn and sunset when the colours are so dim that they feel like the skin of light!”
Not only I consider instinctive centre to be connected with nature and its law but there is a very strong confirmation in Beelzebub’s Tales (BTTHG) that is so and I am going to illustrate with the cosmic law Solioonensius that is described in great details in the chapter Russia of BTTHG. It would be very interesting from the point of view of Objective Morality to examine this law as formulated in BTTHG. Here is how this law is formulated and what is said about it in the book (p. 623):
“The tension in all the planets acts also on the common presences of all beings arising and breeding on them, always engendering in the beings, besides desires and intentions of which they are not aware, the feeling called ‘sacred Iabolioonosar,’ or as your favorites would say, the feeling of religiousness, namely, that ‘being-feeling’ which at times appears in the desire and striving for, as I have already said, speedier self-perfecting in the sense of Objective-Reason.
“It is interesting that when this sacred feeling, or another similar to it, which was also engendered by a certain common cosmic actualization, proceeds in the common presences of your favorites, then they accept it as a symptom of certain of their numerous diseases, and in the given case, for example, they call this feeling ‘nerves.’
“It is necessary to remark that such an impulse inherent in the presence of all three-brained beings of our Great Universe formerly arose and became actualized almost normally in the majority of terrestrial beings of that time, namely, from the time of the removal of the organ Kundabuffer from the common presences of the three-brained beings of the planet Earth right up to the second Transapalnian-perturbation.
“But later, among the number of chief evils which flow from the conditions of ordinary being-existence established by them themselves, especially when in the presences of every terrestrial three-brained being, there began to become predominant the ‘evil-inner-God’ of theirs I mentioned, named there self-calming, then it occurred that in them under the influence of the action of Solioonensius, instead of the desire and striving for a speedier self-perfection a something began to arise such as they themselves characterize by the words ‘need of freedom,’ which chiefly serves the cause of the arising there of these same grievous processes of theirs similar to this last ‘Bolshevism.’”
Here is the whole thing, Elena. If we were normal beings, we would experience this law. However, because of our abnormality we have lost what is called in BTTHG the “instinctive-sensing-of-reality.” Now instead of experiencing the feeling of religiousness, what we experience is “need of freedom” and this “need of freedom” because of our abnormality translate into changing at all cost the external conditions of being-existence. And that is why we have the Lenin, the Stalin, and the Fidel, and so on, of this remote lunatic corner of the Universe called Planet Earth. Here I speak from experience because I was an aye witness of the Cuban Revolution.
But there is an even deeper meaning to this law and I will let you and the readers of this post to ponder on it.
In my next post here I will address two issues you also raised, the one about Love and Time and the one about making love. I will give you my take on these two matters and you will see that, like a friend in another Forum said:
“Many thanks for your comments Will. You certainly have an interesting and diverse set of opinions. :-) ”
And there is one more thing you ought to know about me, Elena: I love to brag about me and I do not hide it. I am not shy, you can be sure of that. There is indeed very little humility in me and the reason for that is that I have found the sense and aim of my existence and when that is the case, one can understand what real humility means. Read the first chapter of BTTHG and you will see that it is all about bragging. Of course, I am not even to the knees of Mr. Gurdjieff but I am up to the knees of Mr. Mesa. He is a Devil; I am just a little devil or, as some people have called me, “incorrigible little crazy devil” or ilcd. You can be sure of one thing: Exchanging with me will never bore you.
You see, Elena, a man has the objective right to three weakness in life. In BTTHG we can see the three weaknesses Mr. Gurdjieff had. My first one is to brag about me. The other two I can tell you but only in private.
Now you begin to get familiar with me.
Thanks for sharing.
Hasta la vista, Clear Elena. I will be back.
Will
Reply


77. Elena - September 9, 2010




Thanks Will for responding to me as if the conversation were just between you and me but there is a misunderstanding for I am not talking or answering particularly to you in those posts but addressing M’s question and M who asked it. There is no disagreement or argument between us. You share your understanding and the rest of us share ours and the question moves along by the force of our many rows.
Will: “I do not know what you mean by the authors of the System. For me there is no System; there is only the Living Teaching Mr. Gurdjieff brought to us in Beelzebub’s Tales and regarding his book he said that there are no methods for understanding it. So, how can there be a System? Who are the authors of the System you refer to? Can you be more explicit here so I can comment more explicitly?”
If for you there is only one living Teaching for me that living Teaching would be all the Teachings in all of history in every culture and man.
We disagree about there being no methods to understanding anything, you and I or Mr. Gurdjieff and I, for we each have our own road to come to understanding through love and trust.
I am very glad that you are reminding us about Mr. Gurdjieff and his outlook on the world and ever so happy to be seeing him for what he was: another human being full of gifts and misgivings like the rest of us.
The System as presented by Gurdjieff, Ouspensky and Rodney Collin is just one System amongst many others and it has its strengths and weaknesses like many others. For me they all work, they are all beautiful and terrible, difficult and possible as life is.
If I am out of place here and this site only approaches objective knowledge according to Gurdjieff’s understanding of the world please forgive my intrusion, I didn’t understand this site as a cult to Mr. Gurdjieff.
My very warm love to you Will. Brag about yourself all you must if that’s what you need and enjoy but let the questions flow down the river of miracles that we may catch a few fish and share the meal!
p.d. I said “rows” as in rowing!
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