elena, i live with a cat, actually i live with 7 cats, but this particular cat we call BIZZY, has to be separated from the other cats because she tries to dominate them and the other cats don’t like that so in the process Bizzy attacks all the other cats them and hell breaks loose… so she has to live in the upstairs apartment separated away from the others… I spend a lot of time in the upstairs and so Bizzy has formed an attachment to me and she’s generally very sweet and loving, but there’s a little trick she tries to play with me… she lays on her back, rolling around on the floor, looking very cute and purring and trying to get my attention by calling me over to pet her… but when i do, after a minute or two, the claws invariably come out and she tries to attack me….
with that being said, i will thank you for your relatively reasonable ‘sounding’ post #29 which you mostly address to who you imagine me to be. so ‘reasonably’ expressed is this post, it even includes long enumerated lists of your personal interpretations and perceptions, as well as enumerated lists of demands that you expect me to conform to, or you expect me to answer to…. and there’s really absolutely nothing more reasonable ‘sounding’ than numbers, numeration, and lists, right ?
although i will not further address your ‘numerals’ here, i will generally say that your recent concern with keeping an ‘even’ and ‘dignified tone’ is never more evident than in this particular post… so congratulations on this accomplishment…. to some extent you actually succeed in appearing to be ‘diplomatic’ — and yes i agree with you that there is a place for ‘diplomacy’ in communications… but there is also more to communication than simply putting on ‘dignified’ aires…. there’s more to communication than simply portraying the ‘niceties’ — that’s all about the surface. attempting to maintain a dignified ‘tone,’ as it is obvious you are trying very much to do, can, and often does belie the facts of the matter… so what is this air and facade of ‘dignity’ all about ? focusing as you do on the ‘niceties’ is of course on the surface, but what lies beneath ? that’s what i’ve been trying to get to with you but you don’t care to go to the depths… you are more interested in hiding behind adopted ’causes’ and ‘isms’ and ‘us’ and ‘we’ — so be it… i’m not going to change that and i don’t expect to…. all i’ve ever tried to do here with you is to show you other possibilities and another perspective… i will say that although your post has a ‘reasonable’ overtone, it is shot through with misconceptions and erroneous assumptions… i really don’t have the time to dissect it for you but i will point out a couple of glaring misconceptions — for your consideration:
e: “We can keep these two instances in mind: Our self and our ideas. One belongs to the realm of the I and the second to the realm of the mind.”
who is “we” elena? who is “our” ?
as for your thinking here: i say that the “I” belongs to the realm of the mind… but maybe i just misunderstand what you are trying to “say” ?
as for your thinking here: i say that the “I” belongs to the realm of the mind… but maybe i just misunderstand what you are trying to “say” ?
e: ” I answered saying that you were behaving like my husbands and that you were perhaps in love with me. My memory is not all that great but those are my perceptions today and I think it was in that moment when I totally lost you.”
just for the record elena, this is YOUR fantasy and another projection on your part…. there is something in therapy called “transference” maybe you should google it so you understand what’s really going on here…. what is implied by possession? remember, you cannot loose something you never had….
o.k. i’m not going to go any further with this very ‘reasonable sounding’ post other than to say that although it is expressed with a certain ‘tone’ which currently concerns you, if you read ‘between the lines’ so to speak, there are a number of flaws and misconceptions… you might want to go back at some time in the future and attempt to see it through fresh eyes and try a fresh perspective.
with all of that being said, let’s return to my cat story; so your reasonable ‘sounding’ post along with the argentinian love songs are like Bizzy rolling on the floor and purring… but in later posts the claws come out:
e: “Like Ton who is supposed to be wanting to help me and hasn’t stopped attacking me since he began to speak to me a month ago.”
this is in fact another thinly veiled attack by elena, of course she will not recognize it as such because it is another projection and as such it is emanating from a blind spot. i say ‘thinly veiled’ because her fresh attack here is framed as if she were the one being attacked… when all else fails she can always play the victim card, supposedly, and subconsciously the intent is to elicit pity, or it’s an obvious ruse and an attempt to bait me in again to defend myself (which has worked up until now… only because i see it as a desperate cry for help). this is all an effort on her part to satisfy her insatiable craving for attention… poor pitiful elena.
e: “Such a simple remark that could have been possible in Ton and my encounter but that was avoided so that they could ban me no matter what!”
more of the same subconscious maneuvers from elena, more of the victim mentality cloaking yet another new attack with me in mind, and of course she adds on the recurring paranoid conspiracy theory regarding her banishment — it’s always “they” and “them” with her, poor elena, it’s never her fault, everyone is out to get her – in reality she continues to live in a state of denial and refuses to take full responsibility for her actions… it’s always somebody else’s fault…
e: “The incredible thing is that they’ve become so used to playing and hurting people’s lives in the Fellowship and using and discarding at their convenience that they don’t even notice when they are still doing it outside.”
elena should really take some of these “astute” observations and apply them to herself… she is rife with projections on all sides, but she cannot see the mote in her own eye… and she claims to be content with her condition — a person who denies they need help, cannot be helped.
well our hour is up… i’ll ‘see’ you next week.
remember to keep your mind out of the gutter, just don’t go there… when you face the light, the shadows fall behind.
remember to keep your mind out of the gutter, just don’t go there… when you face the light, the shadows fall behind.
37 Elena
Hi Ton,
Well, we continue not going anywhere but at least you acknowledge a few things.
The diplomacy according to you is just on the surface but in fact it is in the surface where flowers bloom.
You continue to deny addressing the actual facts, they speak for themselves my friend, you can’t deny those, that is why you are unwilling to address them. As we look at discourses here, it is part of your discourse so that it fits your imaginary picture.
We are both in our own discourse but fortunately in mine I am not banning people or hurting them pretending that they are not good enough to exist or speak as you are doing and so eager to justify.
What really hurts you all in the fofblog is that I am actually exploring and learning, moving ahead the cult experience and overcoming it, moving ahead the status quo and offering new approaches but because I don’t belong to your ghetto, you are unable to embrace me. As I said before, if that is the price of thinking freely, of exploring, of being one’s self, let me pay it generously. You are all welcome here, this is the Public Square!
Have a good day.
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